Families related to Bill Buchanan and Judy Kinney


Roy Kenneth JACOBS [Parents]

Audrey DEBUS

They had the following children:

  F i Janet Lee JACOBS
  F ii Cindy JACOBS

Frank Malcolm JACOBS [Parents]

Joan CASTATOR

They had the following children:

  M i Roy JACOBS
  F ii Waneta Joan JACOBS

Paul Michial MURPHY

Donna Jane Ann JACOBS [Parents]

They had the following children:

  M i Kevin Micheal MURPHY
  M ii Ryan Patrick MURPHY

Bruce Albert HEINBUCH

Myrna Lorraine KELLY [Parents]

They had the following children:

  M i Thomas Albert HEINBUCH
  F ii Christine Norah HEINBUCH
  F iii Kathleen Norah HEINBUCH

Thomas RIDDELL was born about 1850 in Ontario, Canada. He married Mary RUTHERFORD.

1881 Canadian Census
Name Marital Status Gender Ethnic Origin Age Birthplace Occupation Religion
Thomas RIDDLE M Male Scottish 30 O. <Ontario> Carpenter C. Presbyterian
Mary RIDDLE Female Scottish 22 O. <Ontario> C. Presbyterian
Russel RIDDLE Male Scottish 1 O. <Ontario> C. Presbyterian
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Source Information: Census Place Bracebridge & Macauly, Muskoka, Ontario
Family History Library Film 1375879
NA Film Number C-13243 District 131 Sub-district I Page Number 78 Household Number 339

Any connection?
08685
John Ingram, 25 years, Mornington, Canada, B, Yeoman, Paents: James and Margaret Ingram
Margaret Riddell, 28 years, Mornington, Canada, W, Parents: John and Eliza Campbell, 25 Feb 1879

Mary RUTHERFORD [Parents] was born about 1858 in Ontario, Canada. She died in 1887 in Elma twp, Perth, Ontario, Canada. She married Thomas RIDDELL.

They had the following children:

  M i Russell RIDDELL
  F ii Pearl RIDDELL

John VALLANCE.John married Helen DUNGAN.

Helen DUNGAN.Helen married John VALLANCE.

They had the following children:

  F i Margaret Horne VALLANCE

Robert JUFFS

Isabel Jane BLAIR [Parents]

They had the following children:

  F i Margaret Gail JUFFS
  F ii Joan Phyllis JUFFS
  M iii John Blair JUFFS

James MCDAID

Dorothy Phyllis BLAIR [Parents]

They had the following children:

  M i Larry James MCDAID
  F ii Linda Sharon MCDAID
  M iii Mark Wayne MCDAID
  F iv Wendy Carol MCDAID
  M v Ronald Kevin MCDAID
  M vi Kevin or Kenneth Stuart MCDAID

William "Henry" GILBERDS [Parents] was born on 14 Oct 1840 in of Linwood, New York, USA. He died on 31 Oct 1915 in Neepawa, Manitoba, Canada. He was buried on 1 Nov 1915 in Riverside, Neepawa, Manitoba, Canada. He married Elizabeth GLENN about 1869 in of Ontario, Canada.

Other marriages:
MCCAULLEY, Margaret

Henry Gilbert's daughter Annie married Frank Grasby.

Darlene Perrett says Henry's last name was actually Gilberds. Previously to marrying Bessie Glen, he married Margaret McCaulay and had a daughter Laura or Laurel.

1880 United States Census
Census Place: 6th Ward, Port Huron, St. Clair, Michigan
Source: FHL Film 1254605 National Archives Film T9-0605 Page 411D
Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
Henry GILBERDS Self M M W 40 CAN
Occ: House Carpenter Fa: NY Mo: NY
Betsey GILBERDS Wife F M W 38 IRE
Occ: Keeping House Fa: IRE Mo: IRE
Aurilla GILBERDS Dau F S W 16 CAN
Fa: CAN Mo: IRE
Ann E GILBERDS Dau F S W 10 MI
Occ: At School Fa: CAN Mo: IRE
William H GILBERDS Son M S W 9 MI
Occ: At School Fa: CAN Mo: IRE
Ida M GILBERDS Dau F S W 8 MI
Occ: At School Fa: CAN Mo: IRE
Eilly M GILBERDS Dau F S W 3 MI
Fa: CAN Mo: IRE

Thomas Grasby has bought from the Empire Loan Company of Winnipeg, the house formerly owned by J.M. Ennis and now occupied by H. Gilbert. (i.e. Henry and Bessie Glen Buchanan Gilberds)

The Neepawa Press - Tuesday Nov 2, 1915
HENRY GILBERDS
DIED
In Neepawa on Sunday Oct 31, 1915 Henry Gilberds aged 75 years 17 days. Interment took place to Riverside Cemetery yesterday. Deceased was a skilled mechanic and was active in the execution of work until quite recently. He leaves a widow and one son.
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The Neepawa Press - Tuesday Nov 9, 1915
Mrs. Gilberds desires to thank all who assisted in the caring of her late husband in his fatal ilness and who have comforted her in her bereavement.
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(- 2nd husband of Elizabeth "Bessie" Glen Buchanan
Page 3-1 of Buchanan Family Tree Book - DP)

At about the same time 1858 - 1863 that James Buchanan and "Bessie" (Glenn) Buchanan were married and living at Elma, Perth Co., Ont., Henry Gilberds of Linwood, New York State, son of Thomas and Ester Gilberds came to Alma, Ont. to be around his uncle Henry and aunt Catherine Gilberds and their daughter Mary. Henry Gilberds at age 22 in 1862 married 7 April 1862 Margaret McCaulley age 18 of Mornington, W. Flamborough, Ontario, daughter of John and Marion McCaulley. Henry and Margaret Gilberds had a daughter Aurilla born in 1863 or 1864. Margaret (McCaulley) Gilberds must have died having Aurilla or another baby. By this time, James Buchanan is gone and one would assume Henry Gilberds and "Bessie" (Glenn) Buchanan married around l869. I have not found a marriage to date so it might be that she actually knew James Buchanan was really still alive and just assumed the Gilberds name or perhaps she had James Buchanan declared legally dead after a certain period. I don't know for sure at this point. But I have had the thought that if James Buchanan left after 1862 and "Maggie" Matilda never knew him then how did he get his 14 year old son to be with him?. Maybe they just divorced.
- DP

Province of Ontario District 30 North Perth the subdistrict 7 Division 2 [1871 census]
McCauley, Thomas M. at 62 Scotland Presbyterian Scotch farmer M
McCauley, Kathryn and 62 Scotland Presbyterian Scotch M
McCauley, James M 29 Scotland Presbyterian Scotch farmer
McCauley, William M. 22 Ontario Presbyterian Scotch farmer
McCauley, Ellen 15 Ontario Presbyterian Scotch
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Henry Gilberds girls by Catherine [Margaret] McCauley:
McCauley, John M Scotland Presbyterian Scotch farmer M
McCauley, Marion Ellen 57 Scotland Presbyterian Scotch M
McCauley, Elizabeth 14 Ontario Presbyterian Scots
Gilbert, Orilla F 7 Ontario Presbyterian Scotch
Gilbert, Marion F 4 Ontario Presbyterian Scotch
Orphaned grandchildren is written and then struck out because Henry was living. Orilla is with Henry and Bessie in 1880 U.S. Census. Can't find an Ontario death for Marion and the McCauley's and Marion, not in 1881 Canada census. - Darlene

WILLIAM HENRY GILBERDS
Author: Linda Dueck Date: 27 Jun 2002 3:44 PM GMT
Surnames: GILBERDS
Classification: Query
Searching for the descendants of the children of William Henry GILBERDS, commonly mispronounced "GILBERTS", and his 1st wife, Margaret McCAULLEY, and 2nd wife, Elizabeth "Bessie" Glenn BUCHANAN. Found in the 1880 US Census living in Port Huron, St. Clair, Michigan.
The children are:
1. Aurilla GILBERDS born 1862-63 in Ontario Canada to first wife.
2. Ann E. "Annie" GILBERDS born 1869-70 in Michigan, USA; married Mr. Findlay/Findley, then Frank Grasley 1930 Manitoba, Canada.
3. William H. "Billie" GILBERDS born 1870-71 Michigan, USA.
4. Ida M. GILBERDS born 1871-72 Michigan USA
5. Lilly M. GILBERDS born 1876-77 Michigan USA

William Henry GILBERDS was born in Linwood, New York State, son of Thomas & Ester GILBERDS.

Posted by: Linda Dueck (ID *****8409) Date: July 04, 2002 at 19:56:13
Searching for descendants of the children of William Henry GILBERDS, commonly mispronounced "GILBERTS" , and his 1st wife, Margaret McCAULLEY, and 2nd wife, Elizabeth "Bessie" Glenn BUCHANAN. Found in the 1880 US census living in Port Huron, St. Clair, Michigan. The children are:
1. Aurilla GILBERDS born 1862-63 in Ontario, Canada to 1st wife
2. Ann E. "Annie" GILBERDS born 1869-70 in Michigan, USA; married Mr. Findlay/Findley, then Frank Grasly 1930 in Manitoba, Canada
3. William H. "Billie" GILBERDS born 1870-71, Michigan USA
4. Ida M. GILBERDS born 1871-72, Michigan USA
5. Lilly M. GILBERDS born 1876-77 Michigan USA
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William Henry GILBERDS was born in Linwood, New York State, USA, son of Thomas and Ester GILBERDS.

Posted by: M.Connolly (ID *****1543) Date: July 19, 2002 at 12:46:33
In Reply to: WILLIAM HENRY GILBERDS by Linda Dueck
I just came back from an open house for Armand Gilberds. I showed him your E mail but his memory is not too great.{Armand is 89} He never knew his Grandfather,all he knows that they were originally fom the States. I myself have info on the Gilberds from away back. There is a gap in between then and the present. Right now I'm only home for a few days When I come back if your still interested, I'll check my notes and see if there is any connection. I'm sure there is, Gilberds is not a very common name. Flo Connolly

Posted by: M.Connolly (ID *****1543) Date: November 05, 2002 at 18:23:04
In Reply to: Re: WILLIAM HENRY GILBERDS by Linda Dueck
Hi Linda; Here is something you might be interested in, the Gilberds originally came from Holland and to escape religious persecution they emmigrated to England. John Gilberd's went to Mass.in 1580 where a son Thomas was born. Thus the American branch I think this is part of my husbands family,as his Grandfather always said he was pennsylvania dutch. I also came across a William FREDRICK AND ALEX THERE FATHER WAS hENRY B 15/12/1832 Let me know if this helps and I'll check fore more info I'm not much of a typist so you'll receive same in small amounts Flo

Hello Flo- My name is Darlene Perrett & Linda Dueck posted the earlier messages for me as I was not on the internet yet.
you are absolutely right Gilberds is not a common name. It has taken me quite awhile to determine it was in fact GILBERDS not Gilberts. I now believe Wm. Henry was born in Linwood, Ont not New York State. His parents Thomas & Esther could have been American though. Thomas had a brother named Henry and his wife's name was Catherine. They has a daughter named Hannah Mary or vice versa. She married a John Joseph Buckley in Elma Perth Co. Ontario right where Wm. Henry and Bessie Glenn Buchanan started out together. I do not know how long they stayed in Michigan but Bessie's OBIT states that they lived at points in Saskatchewan & Alberta, Canada before they went to Neepawa, Manitoba, Canada in 1911. It is their family I would like to know more about-1862 and forwards. Who they married and where they lived and died etc.
Did any of the Gilberds you knew of end up in those provinces somewhere? Can you help?
Thanks D.

GILBERDS, HENRY
Lot: 145 Block: D Range:
Interment Date: 11/01/1915

Any connection?
Groom name: Arthur D. Wallace
Groom race (on document):
Groom age: 40 years
Groom birth year: 1879
Groom birth place: Michigan
Bride name: Gertrude M. Swan
Bride race (on document):
Bride age: 37 years
Bride birth year: 1882
Bride birth place: Canada
Marriage type:
Marriage date: 27 Sep 1919
Marriage place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Father of groom name: Chas. O.
Mother of groom name: ...usan Reynolds
Father of bride name: John
Mother of bride name: ...artha Gilberds
Marital status:
Groom previous wife name:
Bride marital status:
Bride previous husband name:
Additional relatives:
Film number: 2342735
Frame number:
Digital GS number: 4210048
Image number: 29
Reference number: v 1 p 284 rn 182029
Collection: Michigan Marriages 1868-1925

LAST NAME: GILBERDS
GIVEN NAMES: HENRY
DATE OF DEATH: 31/10/1915
AGE: 75
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: MALE
PLACE OF DEATH: NEEPAWA
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1915,210046

Elizabeth GLENN was born on 17 Apr 1841 in Omagh, Tyrone, Ireland. She died on 10 Aug 1936 in Neepawa, Manitoba, Canada. She was buried on 11 Aug 1936 in Riverside, Neepawa, Manitoba, Canada. She married William "Henry" GILBERDS about 1869 in of Ontario, Canada.

Other marriages:
BUCHANAN, James

[The comments labeled Dp are by Darlene Bonnie Buchanan Perrett, those in square brackets are mine - Bill Buchanan]

I can't find her and the children or her and Henry Gilberds (Gilberts) in the 1871 census.

When she and James Buchanan signed as witnesses on Jane Buchanan's marriage certificate in 1856, she signed it as "Elizabeth Glen".

What relation, a younger brother or cousin?
Name: Charles Parents: Glen, Alex & Jane Residence: Mornington Born: Mornington, 22 Mar 1850

1851 census of Mornington
Glen Alexander L 5 C 12 Farmer Ireland Presbyterian 40 Married Male
Glen Jean " " 40 Married Female
Glen William " " 15 S M
Glen John " " 12 S M
Glen Matthew " " 8 S M
Glen Alexander " " 4 S M
Glen Charles " " 3 S M
Glen ? " " 1 S F
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Glenn Charles ? Farmer Ireland Presbyterian 27 Married Male
Glenn Sarah " " 27 Married Female
Glenn Sarah Canada " ? S F
Glenn William Ireland " ? Married Male
Glenn Mary " " 70 Married Female

1861 Census of Elma, Perth, Ontario
Glen Chas. L 6 C12 Farmer Ireland Free Church 40 Married Male
Glen Sarah " " 32 Married Female
Glen Sarah " " 11 S F
Robinson Margaret Ontario Free Church 13 S F
Gamble John L 6 C 12 Sawyer Ireland " 30 Married Male
Gamble Mary Ontario " 27 Married Female
Thesh William Farmer Ontario " 24 S M
Glen William L 6 C12 Farmer Ireland : 78 Married Male
Glen Mary " " 78 Married Female
also
Glenn David L 35 C 11 Farmer Ireland Pres 45 Married Male
Glenn Mary " " 33 Married Female
Glenn M. Jane Ontario " 13 S F
Glenn Margaret " " 11 S F
Glenn James " " 9 S M
Glenn Matilda " " 7 S F
Glenn William " " 5 S M
Glenn Sarah " " 1 S F


"Bessie Glen Buchanan believed that her husband James was dead, because she had not heard from him for years. She met and married Gilberts. Some time later James returned from B.C. He found that she had a husband and 4 more kids! Bessie came west to be near her daughters Margaret Matilda Buchanan and Jenny Keating." - Darlene Buchanan Perrett

"Henry Gilberds and Granny Gilberds raised their grandson Lee." - Darlene Buchanan Perrett

"James left for several years. His wife, Bessie Glen, presumed him dead and married Gilberts. Then James returned, but they never lived together again." - Jean Griffith


The Neepawa Press Wed April 11, 1900 (Front Page)
The Grim Reaper
AT WORK AMONG THE OLD RESIDENTS
Messrs. Richard Ralph, James Buchanan and John A Lamb Gathered to Their Fathers
- Sturdy Pioneers of the District
Jas. Buchanan of Eden, aged 77, died on Saturday afternoon and his remains were laid in Neepawa cemetery on Monday. He was born in Tyrone, Ireland in 1823;,came to Canada in 1844 (DP S/B 1848), went to British Columbia in the sixties, and came to this district in 1887. He was a sturdy old man, highly respected and always took a keen interest in public affairs. He leaves two daughters but no sons to mourn his loss. They are Mrs. Robert Buchanan, Rosedale, and Mrs. James Cadden (DP S/B Keating)of Saltcoats.

The Neepawa Press, Tuesday, April 22, 1930
Mrs. Gilberts Celebrates Birthday
At her home on Thursday, Mrs. Bessie Gilberts was the honoured personage of a surprise party, it being the occasion of her 89th birthday. During the afternoon and evening, many friends called to congratulate her. Refreshments were served. The convenerers of this happy occasion were: Mrs. A. Grasby, Mrs. N. Ashby, Mrs. Jas Stroman, Mrs. Gowing, and Mrs. W. Bazuk.
On April 2nd Mrs. Gilberts was born in Omma [Omagh] Ireland and when a child came to Perth County Ont, with her parents and moved to Manitoba later. Her husband, a carpenter, died here 15 years ago. Neepawa has been her home for about 35 years. She has 3 children living; 5 dead. Also has 22 grandchildren and 34 great grandchildren. Mrs. Gilberts retains an active mind and an excellent memory, being able to recall many experiences minutely.

Any connection?
The Neepawa Press - July 25, 1916
News of Neepawa- Wm. Gilberts (a late resident of Neepawa) was found dead in his room at the Occidental Hotel in Winnipeg on Friday last, and his son Lee went to the city at once to attend to the obsequies. Deceased had been engaged on the new waterworks aqueduct contruction and was not know to have any ailment. He was a widower about 45 years of age.


The Neepawa Press Tuesday August 11, 1936
Mrs. Bessie Gilberts Dies
Mrs. Bessie Gilberts, who celebrated her 95th birthday last April 17, passed away peacefully at her home in Neepawa Monday morning after a period of indifferent health for the past few weeks. Until her recent illness, Mrs. Gilberts had retained her faculties in a remarkable manner although for several months she has not been active.
Mrs. Gilberts' maiden name was Bessie Glen, and she was born April 17, 1841 in Ohma (Omagh - DP), County of Tyrone, Ireland. At the age of 3 years she came to Canada in a sailboat that took seven weeks to cross the ocean. The family first settled in Stratford, Ont, and later moved west, and at different times she lived at points in Saskatchewan, Alberta, and the United States, coming to Neepawa about 25 years ago. Her first marriage took place in 1857 to James Buchanan at Elma, Ont. He died four years later (No -DP) and nine years after she became the wife of Mr. Gilberts, who died in Neepawa in 1916. Of the seven children, there survive three: Mrs. Jas. Kealing (Keating - DP) of Binscarth, and Mrs. Frank (Annie -DP) Grasby, and Mrs. R. (Red Bob - Maggie Matilda -DP) Buchanan of Neepawa. There are also 14 grandchildren, 41 great grandchildren, and 3 great-great-grandchildren.
The funeral will be held this afternoon Tuesday at 2:30 o'clock from the home, and Rev E. C. Emerson of the Baptist Church will conduct the service. Interment will be made at Riverside Cemetery, and the pallbearers will be Gordon, George and Vernon Hunter (Bella's sons -DP) and Elmer Buchanan (This is my dad "Sonny". They called him Elmer for a while. -DP) great grandchildren, and Russell and Edward Buchanan, grandchildren.
The Duxbury Service is in charge of the funeral arrangements.
(Read Jas. Buchanan's obit TOTALLY DIFFERENT They had 36 years to think up another! -DP)

Darlene said on 18 Mar 2002 "Mavis has a picture of Bessie Glen."

The Neepawa Press Wed March 25, 1902
Town Talk: Mrs. and Mrs. W H Gilbert of Silver Creek, who were on their way home from the East made a brief call on Mr. & Mrs. Sam Buchanan last week.

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Yesterday I received a package from Darlene Perrett of Neepawa, Manitoba. I try to make sure that I share everything I receive, so here is the first part, a letter from Darlene to Donna Arnold Snezek ( < Bessie Arnold < Isabell Hunter < Robert John (Red Bob) Buchanan < John Buchanan) Her letter contains her latest findings about the children of James Buchanan and also of Henry Gilberds, the two husbands of Elizabeth Glen.

I hope you find it helpful, or at least interesting. I hope to be able to meet some of you when we travel east this summer.

Bill

28 March 2002
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Bill, this is a letter I wrote to Donna Arnold Snezek, Bessie Hunter Arnold's daughter. - Darlene
12 November 2001
First I will relate on JAMES BUCHANAN. He was born circa 1823 in Omaugh, County Tyrone, Ireland. He was then around 24 years old when the Buchanan's came to Canada in October 1847. He remained a bachelor in Elma Township, Perth County, Ontario until 1857 when he married Elizabeth "Bessie" Glenn in Elma, Perth Co., Ontario. From this marriage their children were: Mary Jane "Jennie" born 1858; Andrew Charles born 1860 and Margaret "Maggie" Matilda born 7 July 1862.
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According to "Granny Gilberts" Elizabeth "Bessie" Glenn Buchanan Gilberts obituary (she died 10 Aug 1936) says James Buchanan was supposed "to have died 4 years later" meaning 4 years after their marriage. Family lore has always said he went to the Klondike and did not return for 25 years. The lore also includes the story of what happened to their son Andrew Charles.
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James Buchanan is supposed to have sent his son "home" but en route he died by drowning in a B.C. river. "Bessie" et all knew of this accident, but James Buchanan did not know until he came to Neepawa. Nothing is known of when or how for sure Andrew Charles died or where he is buried. Also nothing is known for sure of what James Buchanan did in B.C. in the years 1862 - 1884. A note of news I found in the Neepawa Canadian dated 24th July 1884 states "James Buchanan arrived from Yale, B.C. on horseback". So that certainly becomes fact. In old age Hazel (Buchanan) Griffith had related to her granddaughter Karen (Milne) Lambert that her grandfather James Buchanan returned when her brother Stanley Buchanan was a baby. In fact, it was actually just months before her mother (Margaret Matilda Buchanan Tibbetts Buchanan), whom he had never known, gave birth to her first child, my grandfather, John James "Johnny" Buchanan born 29 September 1884.
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In conversation with Mavis Johnstone Buchanan (widow of Robert Edward "Bob"), "Danny" Buchanan, a grandson of "Maggie" Matilda, Mavis relates this story as follows. A knock came to the door of Margaret "Maggie" Matilda and her husband Robert J. "Red Bob" Buchanan at their farm 1 1/2 miles north of Neepawa. The man standing there said "Hello Maggie, do you know who I am?" The reply was "Yes Father, I do, come in I've been expecting you." He remained with their family until his death at age 77 on 7 April 1900. He is buried in Riverside Cemetery, Neepawa, MB. There is no headstone.
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James Buchanan, as colourful and mysterious as I thought he was, does not hold a candle to his wife ELIZABETH "BESSIE" GLENN BUCHANAN. Recounting her life in her obituary of Tuesday August 11, 1936 in the Neepawa Press: Elizabeth "Bessie" Glenn was born 17 April 1841 in Omaugh, County Tyrone, Ireland also. At age 3 with her family settled in Stratford, Ontario and later moved west. In the 1851 Census records for Stratford I cannot find her in a family unit so I cannot relate as to who her parents are or her siblings. So there is a gap in her life as well. However, at age 17 in 1857 she married James Buchanan aged 34 at Elma, Perth County, Ontario. To repeat myself she and James Buchanan's family are: Mary Jane "Jennie"; Andrew Charles and Margaret "Maggie" Matilda in the years 1858 to July 1862. "Bessie" (Glenn) Buchanan disappears again until I found her recently in the l880 U.S. Census in Port Huron, St. Clair, Michigan (just across the river from Sarnia, Ont.).This was a huge unexpected surprise. In that 1880 U.S. Census record, Elizabeth "Bessie" (Glenn) Buchanan is now married to Henry Gilberds who is age 40 and "Bessie" who is age 38. None of the Buchanan children are with her. As fact, Mary Jane "Jennie" Buchanan at age 18 married, 17 Sept 1879, James Keating age 28, son of John and Lillie-Ann (Mayberry) Keating; Andrew Charles, nothing factual known and the youngest, our great-grandmother Margaret "Maggie" Matilda was found in the 1880 U.S. Census in Valley, Iowa age 18 married to Harvey Tibbetts, age 29, her first husband. As far as I know, all of Elizabeth "Bessie" (Glenn) Buchanan Gilberds descendents referred to her as "Granny Gilberts" I always knew that the name was not just "Gilbert" but had to have the "S" on the end. A few years ago, when I wanted to know just where she and Henry Gilberts were buried in Riverside Cemetery, I went to the town office to inquire. No GILBERTS buried there but they told me there was an Elizabeth and Henry GILBERDS buried. I have assumed until this major find that the town had made a big mistake. There are no headstones in Neepawa Cemetery marking their graves. Anyway, as I resumed my search (Nov 2001) to find "Bessie" married to Henry Gilberts in Ontario we decided to look in the newly released indexed 1880 U.S. Census. Of course nothing with a "T" showed up until I remembered by what name they were buried. With a "D" bingo! There they were.
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Now I can tell you the rest of the story -- At about the same time 1858 - 1863 that James Buchanan and "Bessie" (Glenn) Buchanan were married and living at Elma, Perth Co., Ont., Henry Gilberds of Linwood, New York State, son of Thomas and Ester Gilberds came to Alma, Ont. to be around his uncle Henry and aunt Catherine Gilberds and their daughter Mary. Henry Gilberds at age 22 in 1862 married 7 April 1862 Margaret McCaulley age 18 of Mornington, W. Flamborough, Ontario, daughter of John and Marion McCaulley. Henry and Margaret Gilberds had a daughter Aurilla born in 1863 or 1864. Margaret (McCaulley) Gilberds must have died having Aurilla or another baby. By this time, James Buchanan is gone and one would assume Henry Gilberds and "Bessie" (Glenn) Buchanan married around 1869. I have not found a marriage to date so it might be that she actually knew James Buchanan was really still alive and just assumed the Gilberds name or perhaps she had James Buchanan declared legally dead after a certain period. I don't know for sure at this point. But I have had the thought that if James Buchanan left after 1862 and "Maggie" Matilda never knew him then how did he get his 14 year old son to be with him?. Maybe they just divorced.
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At any rate, "Bessie" and Henry have their first child Ann E. Gilberds in 1869 or 1870 depending in what month she was born. Then William Henry born 1870-1871; Ida M. born 1871 or 1872; and last Lilly M. born 1876 or t~77. These children were all born in Michigan. So "Bessie" and Henry must have gone to Michigan with his daughter Aurilla shortly after they were married or whatever and before the birth of Ann E. "Annie" in 1869 or 1870.
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Again there is a big gap in "Bessie's" life, the years from 1880 to 1911 until they arrive in the town of Neepawa around 1911.
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According to "Granny Gilberts" obituary, there is mention of them living in Saskatchewan and Alberta. Nothing is known about those places that are included in the 20 missed years before coming to Neepawa. However, in August 1901, the Neepawa Press stated, "Mrs. Gilberts who had been visiting at the home of R.J. Buchanan for several days returned to her home in the city". In the Neepawa Register dated 24 March 1902 it reads, "Mr. and Mrs. W. H. Gilberts of Silver Creek who were on their way home from the East made a brief call on Sam Buchanan". "Bessie's" oldest daughter, Mary Jane "Jennie", known to us as "Aunt Jennie Keating" and her husband James Keating and their family lived at Silver Creek, MB. It is close to Russell, MB. The Keatings farmed up there with a bunch of other Keating relatives and they died there. Descendents still live up there today. Aunt "Jennie" and James Keating's family were: Elizabeth, John, George, William-Andrew, Earl & Mina (twins), Glenn and Lillian.
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Supposedly Andrew Charles Buchanan, her son, drowned at age 14 in B.C.. "Bessie's"' youngest daughter Margaret "Maggie" Matilda also had married Harvey Tibbetts before I found them in the 1880 U.S. Census. They were farming in Aprii 1880. I had been told he was a minister, perhaps he was only a lay minister. After April 1880 but before mid-year 1883 Harvey Tibbetts dies. On 10 Dec 1883 Margaret "Maggie" Matilda Tibbetts married her 1st cousin Robert "Red Bob" Buchanan, son of her uncle John and Isabella (Watson) Buchanan. "Red Bob" and "Maggie" Matilda, as I refer to them, (our great-grandparents) family were: John James "Johnny"; Isabel "Bella"; William Russell "Russ";
Elizabeth Jane "Lizzie"; Percy Douglas "Doug"; Stanley H. "Stanley"; Hazel Margaret "Hazel" or "Hade", and Edward Robert "Eddie".
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Of the Gilberds children: Nothing is known of Henry's daughter Aurilla or of Henry and "Bessies" daughters, Ida M. or Lilly M.. I do have a picture of "Granny Gilberts" with her three daughters; one of Henry and "Bessie" and their grandson "Lee"; one of "Annie" by herself and one picture of their son William H. "Billie" Gilberds with his Keating cousins.
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Ann E. "Annie" came to Neepawa as an adult. She arrived as "Annie" Findlay and in 1930 in Neepawa married Franklin "Frank" Grasby, a widower with a very large grown family. After his death she returned to Ontario to presumably be with her Findlay children.
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William Henry "Billie" Gilberds ended up in Neepawa too about 1911. He was working in Winnipeg on the Shoal Lake aqueduct to Winnipeg when he died of natural causes 21 July 1916. He is buried in Riverside Cemetery, Neepawa. He has no headstone. "Billie's" son Henry Lee "Lee" Gilberds married a Margaret Lord, presumed from Neepawa or district. On 7 March 1915 at age 20 years. she died and is also buried in Riverside Cemetery, Neepawa with no headstone. Henry and "Bessie", their son "Billie" and their grandson "Lee's" wife Margaret are buried together in four plots. Not really having a time frame for "Lee", I do know he worked for Guinn Memorials. In talking to Bill Guinn he said, "Lee" left town for about 10 years. He came back after WWII and married a lady by the name of "Pat". He left again in the 1950's." No more is known.

A note ascribed to A. Mc (Annie McMane?) said she thought James firstly married a Betsy Booth.

1851 census of Mornington township, Perth county - Any connection? (no Elizabeth or Catherine)
Alexander Ireland Presbyterian Mornington 40 M M
Jean Ireland Presbyterian Mornington 40 M F
William Ireland Presbyterian Mornington 15 S M
John Ireland Presbyterian Mornington 12 S M
Matthew Ireland Presbyterian Mornington 8 S M
Alexander Ireland Presbyterian Mornington 6 S M
Charles Canada Presbyterian Mornington 3 S M
? Canada Presbyterian Mornington 1 S F
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Charles Ireland Presbyterian Mornington 27 M M
Sarrah Ireland Presbyterian Mornington 21 M F
Sarrah Canada Presbyterian Mornington ? S F
William Ireland Presbyterian Mornington ? M M
Mary Ireland Presbyterian Mornington 70 M F

Any connection?
08798 - excerpt
Charles Glenn and Isabella Monroe, 12 Jan 1876, Listowell, son of Alex and Jane Glenn
08799 - excerpt
Robert McCullough and Sarah Ann Glenn born in Mornington, 12 Jan 1876, Listowell, dau. Alex and Jane Glenn.

GILBERDS, BESSIE
Lot: 145 Block: D Range: SW 1/4, NG
Interment Date: 08/11/1936

ancestry.ca Any connection?
1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia
(Province, District, Sub-District) Estimated Birth Year Birthplace
Jane Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Huron County, Wawanosh abt 1827 Ireland
Ann Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Huron County, Wawanosh abt 1851 Canada
Jane Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Huron County, Wawanosh abt 1849 Canada
Isabella Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Huron County, Wawanosh abt 1851 Canada
John Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Huron County, Wawanosh abt 1796 Ireland
Jane Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Huron County, Wawanosh abt 1792 Ireland
Jane Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Huron County, Wawanosh abt 1836 Canada
Charles Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Perth County, Mornington abt 1825 Ireland
Sarrah Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Perth County, Mornington abt 1831 Ireland
Sarrah Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Perth County, Mornington Canada
William Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Perth County, Mornington abt 1837 Ireland
Mary Glenn Canada West (Ontario), Perth County, Mornington abt 1782 Ireland

They had the following children:

  F i Ann E. GILBERDS
  M ii William H. GILBERDS
  F iii Ida M. GILBERDS was born in 1872 in Port Huron, Mi, USA.
  F iv Lilly or Eilly M. GILBERDS was born in 1877 in Port Huron, Michigan, USA.

James KEATING [Parents] was born on 17 Jan 1855 in Listowel, Ontario, Canada. He died on 14 Aug 1915 in Silver Creek, Manitoba, Canada. He married Mary Jane (Jenny) BUCHANAN on 17 Sep 1879 in Elma Twp, Perth, Ontario, Canada.

Some of this family's info is from http://www.russellmb.com/history/families/keating.htm

Ontario Marriages 1879 film #1869505 6655-10481
08808
James Keating, 25 years, Elma, Elma, B, Farmer, Parents John and Lydia Keating
Mary Jane Buchanan, 21 years, Elma, Elma, S, Parents: James and Bessy Buchanan
Witnesses: William Gray and Ann Keating, Elma, 17 Sept 1879, Presbyterian, Presbyterian, Revd Sinson

8808-79 James KEATING, 25, farmer, Elma, same, s/o John & Lydia, married Mary Jane BUCHANAN, 21, Elma, same, d/o James & Bessy, witn: William GRAY & Ann KEATING both of Elma on Sept. 17, 1879 at Elma.

Birthdate from Ontario Wesleyan Methodist Baptisms 1855-01-17 the 1901 census says 17 Dec 1854.
Ontario Marriage Index, 1858-1899
Name Estimated Birth Year Marriage Date Spouse Name Marriage County
Mary Jane Buchanan abt 1858 17 Sep 1879 James Keating Perth
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Ontario Marriage Index, 1858-1899 Record
Name: Mary Jane Buchanan
Birth Place: Elma
Age: 21
Father Name: James Buchanan
Mother Name: Bessy Buchanan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Spouse Name: James Keating
Spouse's Age: 25
Spouse Birth Place: Elma
Spouse Father Name: John Keating
Spouse Mother Name : Lydia Keating
Marriage Date: 17 Sep 1879
Marriage Place: Perth
Marriage County: Perth
Source: Indexed by: Ancestry.com

The 1881 Census of Canada
Census Place: Elma, Perth North Ontario, Canada
Source: FHL Film 1375907 NAC C-13271 Dist 172 SubDist E Div 1 Page 54 Family 243
Sex Marr Age Origin Birthplace
James KEATING M M 26 Irish O <Ontario> Occ:Farmer Religion:Presbyterian
Mary J KEATING F M 22 Irish O <Ontario>
Religion: Presbyterian

1891 census of Russell and Silver Creek, Manitoba micofilm T6294 - (page 25)
Surname, Given Sex Age Mar. Rel. Birth Father Mother Religion Occupation
Keating, James M 36 M - Ontario Quebec Ireland C.Pres Farmer
Keating, Mary Jane F 30 M W Ontario Ireland Ireland C.Pres
Keating, John James M 8 S S Ontario Ontario Ontario C.Pres
Keating, George Davis M 7 S S Manitoba Ontario Ontario C.Pres
Keating, Wm Andrew M 5 S S Manitoba Ontario Ontario C.Pres
Keating, Merna F 2 S D Manitoba Ontario Ontario C.Pres

1901 Census
4 25 44 Keating James M Head M Dec 17 1854 46 [Ont-r]
4 26 44 Keating Mary J F Wife M Feb 10 1860 40 [Ont-r]
4 27 44 Keating John J M Son S Oct 28 1882 18 [Ont-r]
4 28 44 Keating William A M Son S Sep 23 1885 15 [Man-r]
4 29 44 Keating Minnie F Daughter S Mar 19 1888 12 [Man-r]
4 30 44 Keating Glen M Son S Mar 3 1891 9 [Man-r] [or 1892?]
4 31 44 Keating Lillian E F Daughter S Oct 19 1894 6 [Man-r]
Source Information: 1901 Census of Canada
Subdistrict: Silver Creek, MARQUETTE, MANITOBA
District Number: 9 Subdistrict Number: q-5 Archives Microfilm: T-6434

1906 census District: AB Alberta District (#18)
Subdistrict: 31 (Townships 10, 11, 12 in ranges 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 inclusive, west of the 4th M - Also townships 7, 8, 9, 11) Page 23
25 169 Keating James Head M M 52 [Ontario]
26 169 Keating Mary J. Wife F M 46 [Ontario]
27 169 Keating William A. Son M S 20 [Manitoba]
28 169 Keating Glenn Son M S 14 [Manitoba]
29 169 Keating Lillian E. Daughter F S 11 [Manitoba]
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Next door -
18 167 Mayberry Donald Head M M 35
19 167 Mayberry Bella Wife F M 27
20 167 Mayberry Aubrey Son M S 9
21 168 Mayberry George Head M S 24
22 168 Mayberry Thomas R. Head M M 29
23 168 Mayberry Fawn Wife F M 26
24 168 Mayberry Gordon Son M S 1

His?
Full record for Keating, James
Last Name Keating First Name James Post Office Hammond Township Elma County Perth Atlas Date 1879
Concession and Lot Lot size VI, 33 100

Whom?
Full record for Keating, J.
Last Name Keating First Name J. Post Office Hammond Township Elma County Perth Atlas Date 1879
Concession and Lot Lot size III, 28 50; IV, 28 50; III, 27 100; IV, 27 100

Whom?
Full record for Keating, William
Last Name Keating First Name William Post Office Hammond Township Elma County Perth Atlas Date 1879
Concession and Lot Lot size V, 28 100; V, 33 99

Their family farmed at Silver Creek, near Russell, Manitoba, with a lot of their Keating relatives, and they died there. - dp

LAST NAME: KEATING
GIVEN NAMES: JAMES
DATE OF DEATH: 08/14/1915
AGE: 63
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: M
PLACE OF DEATH: SILVER CREEK
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1915,190399

http://www.russellmb.com/history/families/keating.htm
JAMES KEATING by Mrs. W. A. Keating

James Keating was born at Listowell near Stratford, Ontario. He was married to Elizabeth Jane Buchanan in 1880. Their first child, a girl died at birth. Their next two children, John and George were born in Ontario and moved with their parents to Manitoba in 1882. John and George died at the age of 16 and 14 years.

William Andrew Keating was born in 1885 and Mena Keating and her twin brother Earl in 1889. Earl died in the summer of 1889. Glenn Keating was born in 1892 and Lillian Elizabeth in 1894.

James Keating and his wife and family settled in the Stratford District on 4-20-27. He was well-known for his hospitality and kindness. Jennie, his wife, helped many of the neighbors in sickness and also when children were born.

William Andrew Keating, the oldest of the remaining children, attended Stratford School and finally Settled on what is now known as the home farm N. 1,2 16-20-27. He married Annie E. Ebbern, April 10th, 1918. They had five children The oldest Elgin Lee was born on March 6th, 1919 and he attended Stratford school. He married Mary Wright of Rounthwaite, in 1944. Their eldest son, William Arthur was born in 1948 and went to school in Stratford and later to Russell High School taking Grade 9. His daughter, Judy Dianne, was born in 1953 and is at present going to Stratford School.

Lyle James Keating was born in 1923. He attended Stratford school and later went to Russell High School. He farmed the home farms successfully and bought a Caterpillar tractor in 1950, the start of the Road Construction.

Wilda Jean Keating was born in 1925 and went to Stratford school later attending Binscarth High School. She took a business course in Calgary and later married Earl Smith of Red Deer, Alta. They have two children, Carol and Donald. They live in Red Deer, Alberta.

Donelda Lillian Keating was born Oct. 6, 1929. She attended Stratford School and later went to Binscarth High School where she finished her Grade 12. She trained for a teacher at the Normal School in Winnipeg and taught for some time. she married Richard O. Crawley, a farmer at Clan William and they have three children: Linda Patricia, attending Minnedosa High School; Glen, attending the home school at Lakelet; and the youngest child, Bruce.

Gerald Francis Keating was born in the year 1934. He attended Stratford school and later Russell High School, where he was awarded the Governor General's Medal. After completing High School, he took the management of the Road Construction Business. He married Helen Louise Strabl of Minnedosa in the year 1958. They have four children: David, attending Stratford School, Lori Anne, Holly Naomi and Amelia Louise. Gerald Keating took a pilot's course and bought his own plane in 1965.

Mena Keating married James Broadfoot in 1909 and they had one son John now residing with his wife in Seattle, Washington

Glenn Keating married Elizabeth Vinnell in 1919. They had no children. After Mrs. Glenn Keating's death, Glenn married again and is now retired in Calgary. Lillian Elizabeth Keating attended Stratford school and married Charles Morrison in 1916. They moved from a farm here in Stratford to Chipman, New Brunswick. They had a store and cafe there and after Charles' death, Mrs. Morrison still operated the store with the help of her eldest son Argyle and her daughter Mary Morrison. Argyle married a minister's daughter, Katherine Haydon. Two children were born, a son and daughter, Raymond and Lynne.

Mary Morrison remained single and lives with her mother at Chipman. The third child, Willard, married a Chipman girl Gery King. They have no children and live in Minto, New Brunswick.

Ontario Wesleyan Methodist Baptisms
2 404 Perth Co. Elma Twp. James Keating John Lily Ann Elma Elma 1865-01-17 1857-05-17 Elma Dyer, Rev. T. E.
2 757 Perth Co. Wallace Twp. James Keating John Lily Ann Elma Elma 1855-01-17 1857-05-17 Wallace Dyer, Rev. J. E.
2 404 Perth Co. Elma Twp. Nancy Keating John Lily Ann Elma Elma 1856-06-11 1857-05-17 Elma Dyer, Rev. T. E.
2 404 Perth Co. Elma Twp. Nancy Keating William Mary I. Elma Elma 1856-02-26 1857-05-17 Elma Dyer, Rev. T. E.
2 757 Perth Co. Wallace Twp. Nancy Keating William Mary Jane Elma Elma 1856-02-26 1857-05-17 Wallace Dyer, Rev. J. E.
2 757 Perth Co. Wallace Twp. Nancy Keating John Lily Ann Elma Elma 1856-06-11 1857-05-17 Wallace Dyer, Rev. J. E.
2 757 Perth Co. Wallace Twp. Nancy Keating William Mary Jane Elma Elma 1856-02-26 1857-05-17 Wallace Dyer, Rev. J. E.

Mary Jane (Jenny) BUCHANAN [Parents] was born on 10 Feb 1860 in Elma Twp, Perth, Ontario, Canada. She died in Silver Creek, Manitoba, Canada. She married James KEATING on 17 Sep 1879 in Elma Twp, Perth, Ontario, Canada.

Known as Jennie.

In the 1871 Census of Elma, Perth, Ontario, is this her staying as a servant with the James and Ellinor Johnston family? The age and name seem positive, except the place of birth.
1 24 71-S Buchanan J. Mary b. Ire Irish Anglican age 12 Single Female
[Darlene confirms it is her.]

The Neepawa Press Wed Sept 13, 1899
In And About Town
Mrs. Keating of Russell, who was visiting friends hereabout left for home today.

Marriage Registration 1879 Ontario
Registration # 8808 17 Sept 1879
James Keating married Mary Jane Buchanan
At Elma, Ont.
Age: 25 years 21 years
Bachelor Single
Farmer
Born: Elma, Ont. Elma, Ont.
Parents: John Keating James Buchanan
Lydia Keating Bessie Buchanan
Witnesses: William Gray - Elma, Ont.
Ann Keating - Elma, Ont.
Taken from film at Family History Centre, Brandon, MB, 6 Dec 2000 -DP


I remember an old census record in Ont saying that Maggie's sister Elizabeth "Aunt Jennie" Buchanan was 10 years old or so going to school and living with a family by the name of "Johnston". (Perhaps 1871 Perth Co.). Must get back and find that and see if Maggie Matilda is living with some other family.. On my to do list! But I can really imagine that it was so that Bessie Glenn gave her kids to other family's to raise because a few years ago (long after reading that Census), in conversation with Mavis Tycoles now (She was married to Bob Buchanan (Aunt Lizzie and Uncle Eddie's son) before he died. She said to me that once "Bessie Glenn" got hooked up with the Gilberds, they didn't want anything to do with the Buchanan kids. So there must be some truth to that. Also Mavis has a big picture of "Granny Gilberds" in a big old frame. and she has said that she will give it to me (I do not have it yet) but she also says that after Granny Gilberds died in 1936 Maggie Matilda threw out the matching large picture of Henry in a matching old frame. Mavis (and Bob) has had the picture of Granny down at the cabin at the lake for years. - Darlene

LAST NAME: KEATING
FIRST NAME: MERNA
DATE OF BIRTH: 03/19/1889
PLACE OF BIRTH: R.M. OF SILVER CREEK
MOTHER'S DETAILS Maiden Last Name: BUCHANAN Given Names: MARY JANE

They had the following children:

  F i Elizabeth KEATING was born about 1880 in of Silver Creek, Manitoba, Canada.

BFT Died as an infant.

This might be her.
LAST NAME: KEATING
GIVEN NAMES: CLARA ELIZABETH
DATE OF DEATH: 09/26/1886
AGE: 10
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: F
PLACE OF DEATH: SILVER CREEK
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1886,001477
REGISTRATION DATE:
  M ii John James KEATING was born on 20 Oct 1882 in Elma twp, Perth, Ontario, Canada. He died on 16 Aug 1901 in Silver Creek Municipality, Manitoba, Canada.

John James Keating 20 Oct 1882 Male Perth James Keating Mary Jane Keating [M N Buchanan]

or born 28 Oct 1882

LAST NAME: KEATING
GIVEN NAMES: JOHN JAMES
DATE OF DEATH: 08/16/1901
AGE: 18
UNITS OF AGE: YEARS SEX: M
PLACE OF DEATH: SILVER CREEK
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1901,002105
REGISTRATION DATE:


BFT d. age 16 years
  M iii George Davis KEATING was born on 15 Dec 1883 in Silver Creek Municipality, Manitoba, Canada. He died on 11 May 1900 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.

LAST NAME: KEATING
FIRST NAME: GEORGE DAVIS
DATE OF BIRTH: 12/15/1883
PLACE OF BIRTH: R.M. OF SILVER CREEK SEX: M
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1884,003358
REGISTRATION DATE:
MOTHER'S DETAILS Maiden Last Name: BUCHANAN Given Names: MARY JANE

BFT d. aged 14 years
  M iv William Andrew KEATING
  M v Earl KEATING was born on 19 Mar 1889 in Silver Creek Municipality, Manitoba, Canada. He died on 30 Aug 1889 in Silver Creek Municipality, Manitoba, Canada.

LAST NAME: KEATING
FIRST NAME: EARL
DATE OF BIRTH: 03/19/1889
PLACE OF BIRTH: R.M. OF SILVER CREEK SEX: M
REGISTRATION NUMBER: 1889,005558
REGISTRATION DATE:
MOTHER'S DETAILS Maiden Last Name: BUCHANAN Given Names: MARY JANE

BFT Mina's twin. Died 6-7 mos.
  F vi Mena (Annie) KEATING
  M vii Glen KEATING
  F viii Lillian Elizabeth KEATING

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